Right Pat, what do you want to explain us with this article?7 June 2010 13:32
The essential materials to make computers are extracted from the earth by mining and wrapped in plastic cases manufactured from oil. Anyone who is genuinely opposed to mining should NOT be using the internet. The internet would NOT exist without mining.
Anyone who is genuinely opposed to mining should NOT write to newspapers, magazines, television broadcasters, radio broadcasters, or politicians. ALL paper and pens are manufactured by machinery or tools derived from mining and ALL electrical & electronic equipment is produced using mined materials. ALL newspapers, magazines and books use mined materials to manufacture them.
Whether it is generated from combustion, wind, wave, geothermal or solar, ALL electrical energy is generated and transmitted using vast amounts of mined materials.
Batteries are produced using mined materials.
Solar cells are produced using mined materials.
Wind generators are produced using mined materials.
Hydro-electric dams are produced using mined materials.
Whether wooden framed, brick, steel reinforced concrete, composite, ALL houses are built using mined materials.
Cars, buses, aeroplanes, trains, ships, boats, bicycles, scooters, roller skates, skis, horse drawn carts etc are produced using mined materials.
ALL clothes are manufactured using tools or machinery made from mined materials.
ALL farmed food is produced using agricultural vehicles manufactured from mined materials.
Money is produced using machinery which has been mined.
Anyone who is genuinely opposed to mining should immediately give away all their possessions, including money and clothing. They should also refrain from eating any food produced by agricultural machinery, including animal products which have been produced using feed delivered by vehicles manufactured from mined materials.
It must be a tough life being a genuine NIMBY who is determined to treat other people's back yard in the same manner they wish their back yard to be treated.
What do they eat? How do they survive the cold, wet winters?
Would you really be happy if all mining was banned?
Right Pat. Maybe asking a common question was not the best way to reply to your statement.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all we ask who benefits from mining?
Is it the local communities? Is it the Irish people? Is it a private company?
Second: who has to deal with the huge environmental impact of such mining and therefore with the consequences of that?
Is it the local communities? Is it the Irish people? Is it the private company?
More questions later when these here will be answered.
Right Charlie. First, Who is 'we'?
ReplyDeleteFirst of all we ask who benefits from mining?
Is it the local communities? Is it the Irish people? Is it a private company?
Every person who uses a product manufactured from mined material, or a product which is manufactured using electricity, or manufactured using tools and machinery which are manufactured from mined material, or lives in a house built with mined materials, or a house constructed using tools made from mined materials obviously benefits from mining.
It does not matter whether those people are Irish or any other nationality, if they benefit from any manufactured product, they consequently benefit from mining.
If a community uses manufactured products, the whole community benefits from mining.
Second: who has to deal with the huge environmental impact of such mining and therefore with the consequences of that?
Is it the local communities? Is it the Irish people? Is it the private company?
The mining companies should minimise environmental impact and pass the cost of any remedial work on to the consumers by charging a suitable premium on consumable goods, building materials etc.
As virtually all of the mined resource will be used by the world's communities, each individual and each community should be prepared to pay for their fair share of the cost.
First of all it is the MINING COMPANY which benefits from such mining. They want to make profits. They don't do that because they want all of us to benefit from their enterprise. They want to make profit.
ReplyDeleteSecond: If it was the case that companies mining in such way would minimise damage and take care of the environment, we wouldn't see one after the other scandal all over the world. E.g. aluminium poisons the ground waters in Mayo (=> shelltosea.com). E.g. oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico etc. etc.
You are talking about a dream world here, Pat. And I don't see you recognising the concerns of the locals who, at the end of the day, have to deal with a poisoned and destroyed environment.
If you call people who are concerned about their neighbouring evironment rejecting any wreckless exploitation of its heritage NIMBYs, then I am a NIMBY too!
Anyhow I think we can go back to the original blog (http://inishindie.blogspot.com/2010/04/inishowen-environmental-group-metting.html?showComment=1276075344272#c2775152526789941249) and keep on discussing there about the real world.
ReplyDeleteCharlie said...
ReplyDeleteFirst of all it is the MINING COMPANY which benefits from such mining. They want to make profits. They don't do that because they want all of us to benefit from their enterprise. They want to make profit.
Of course the mining company want to make a profit. Every company from children's clothes manufacturers to companies researching a cure for cancer are trying to make a profit. However, children benefit from those clothes and hopefully hundreds of thousands of cancer sufferers will derive some benefit from the endeavours of the research companies. Only a fool would expect all companies to strive to make a loss.
Second: If it was the case that companies mining in such way would minimise damage and take care of the environment, we wouldn't see one after the other scandal all over the world. E.g. aluminium poisons the ground waters in Mayo (=> shelltosea.com). E.g. oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico etc. etc.
If there was no demand for mined materials, companies would not mine. If there was no demand for oil, oil companies would not drill. Anyone such as yourself who uses oil and mined minerals every day should be happy for those things to be extracted locally such that you can have a greater input regarding good stewardship.
You are talking about a dream world here, Pat. And I don't see you recognising the concerns of the locals who, at the end of the day, have to deal with a poisoned and destroyed environment.
It is you who is living in a dream world Charlie. If you do not think mining is acceptable in your country, you should also agree with people from other countries who would prefer the cessation of mining in their countries to supply your needs. If you are really concerned about the Gulf of Mexico you should be campaigning for the worldwide cessation of international trade. You should immediately discard any possessions you own which may have caused environmental damage to someone else's back yard.
If you call people who are concerned about their neighbouring evironment rejecting any wreckless exploitation of its heritage NIMBYs, then I am a NIMBY too!
Nobody has proposed anything reckless. In your attempt to give a hint of credibility to your post, you have wandered off into a complete fantasy world. That is a typical attribute of a NIMBY. At least you are making progress in that you have recognised yourself to be a selfish, don't give a damn about anyone else's back yard, NIMBY. You are clearly someone who is only too willing to exploit the minerals extracted from third world countries by people who see very little benefit from providing the products which you consume. You obviously don't give a second thought for the environmental impact in poor countries while you live in your comfortable house with your luxury goods, as long as you can't see it as you drive your luxury car to collect your welfare cheque.
Who are you Pat that you judge over me in that way? You don't know anything about me and conclude phantasy about me and my behaviour. How about opening your profile to the readers?
ReplyDeleteYou seem not to read the matter of my posts. When I say that I'm against only profit oriented mining on the burden of the local people and environment you can not conclude that I wasn't concerned about mining at other places (3rd world countries).
It looks like you only want to provoke the people with your posts. It sounds like unsubstantial propaganda. And it smells a bit fishy as long as you hide your profile.
Charlie said...
ReplyDeleteWho are you Pat that you judge over me in that way? You don't know anything about me and conclude phantasy about me and my behaviour. How about opening your profile to the readers?
What do you hope to gain from knowing who I am? Would you consider paying me a visit in the middle of the night?
I am a concerned citizen, worried by your small minded attitude and your attempts to impose your self-serving opinions upon others. People like yourself, who attempt to influence others with duplicitous posts, could have an adverse effect on the local and national economy. I know enough about you from your publications to know that you have little regard for truth or reality.
You seem not to read the matter of my posts. When I say that I'm against only profit oriented mining on the burden of the local people and environment you can not conclude that I wasn't concerned about mining at other places (3rd world countries).
Why are you opposed to companies making a profit? Many, many people have pension schemes which rely upon investments in companies. Without corporate profits none of these people will have a pension. If you are concerned about mining in other places, what are you doing to ensure that none of the products you personally use come from other places?
It looks like you only want to provoke the people with your posts. It sounds like unsubstantial propaganda. And it smells a bit fishy as long as you hide your profile.
It looks as though you are starting to harbour doubts about your story. Resorting to accusations of marine odours demonstrates that you are struggling to conjure up any new fairy-tales to reinforce your questionable claims.
Maybe you are afraid of midnight visitors, Mr, Ms. or Mrs. Pat Anonomous, if you are continously posting insults and false accusations to the people. But it won't be me, that's not my style.
ReplyDeleteI'm anything else than struggling with Trolls like you.
Over and out.
Charlie said...
ReplyDeleteMaybe you are afraid of midnight visitors, Mr, Ms. or Mrs. Pat Anonomous .... ...But it won't be me, that's not my style.
Really? Then why do you need to know who I am and where I live?
if you are continously posting insults and false accusations to the people.
If you find my comments insulting is it because the truth hurts? Accusing me of false accusations is rich coming from you!
But it won't be me, that's not my style.
Am I supposed to be reassured?
I'm anything else than struggling with Trolls like you.
Again resorting to insults. I assume your imagination has reached it's limit.
Over and out.
Clearly you have nothing more to add because your claims have been exposed for what they are - unsubstantiated NIMBY scaremongery